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	<title>Comments on: PCDU Episode 16: Rant on Steve, Rant on</title>
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		<title>By: Jeremy</title>
		<link>http://www.planecrazydownunder.com/2009/11/15/episode-16-rant-on-steve-rant-on/comment-page-1/#comment-367</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeremy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 22:56:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I saw him at work yesterday, he was doing an extra shift (AD) so he&#039;s on the big bucks!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I saw him at work yesterday, he was doing an extra shift (AD) so he&#8217;s on the big bucks!!</p>
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		<title>By: Grant (Falcon124)</title>
		<link>http://www.planecrazydownunder.com/2009/11/15/episode-16-rant-on-steve-rant-on/comment-page-1/#comment-366</link>
		<dc:creator>Grant (Falcon124)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 15:34:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mmmmm - 50 - 4 - 50 

yup - that works - especially the booze bit :)

Good luck applying pressure to the Ipanator - could be messy... :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mmmmm &#8211; 50 &#8211; 4 &#8211; 50 </p>
<p>yup &#8211; that works &#8211; especially the booze bit :)</p>
<p>Good luck applying pressure to the Ipanator &#8211; could be messy&#8230; :)</p>
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		<title>By: Jeremy</title>
		<link>http://www.planecrazydownunder.com/2009/11/15/episode-16-rant-on-steve-rant-on/comment-page-1/#comment-364</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeremy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 00:32:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You can call it a fund drive - 50 for 50.  When you get there you have a large party with lots of alcohol because there will be so many donations including from Ben, I&#039;ll apply a little pressure to him!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You can call it a fund drive &#8211; 50 for 50.  When you get there you have a large party with lots of alcohol because there will be so many donations including from Ben, I&#8217;ll apply a little pressure to him!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Grant (Falcon124)</title>
		<link>http://www.planecrazydownunder.com/2009/11/15/episode-16-rant-on-steve-rant-on/comment-page-1/#comment-363</link>
		<dc:creator>Grant (Falcon124)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 13:01:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mike: Thanks for the excellent comments &amp; clarifications on the aircraft orders. You&#039;re right that QF got the A330&#039;s as &quot;lead-in&quot; to the A380&#039;s - deal sweeteners and handy training for the (eventual) A380 crews. As to the Kiwi A320s, yes, it&#039;s not a switch as they already have them, but it is a change from Boeing even if only a small way.

For both QF &amp; AirNZ, having the mixed Airbus &amp; Boeing fleets certainly must help when negotiating prices, eg: &quot;Well, we&#039;re no stranger to the other guys, so maybe they&#039;ll give us a better deal to come even more into their camp...&quot; etc :)


Jeremy (&amp; Mike) - no no, the cunning plan was not to reduce episode lengths. Heck, it usually takes us 5 or 10 minutes just to warm up on an episode (although Steve&#039;s &quot;individual string-ette&quot; episode style for the ATC release is appealing :)

No, we&#039;re going to do it right and get you the best content we can up to #50 and beyond. We have some great ideas for content and are saving our $$$ to help get it. We&#039;ve also got some content that&#039;s waiting to come out but needs me to get some time to work on it. I blame my crazy day job for most of the delay.

So lets see how quickly we can get to episode #50 while still maintaining high quality. We certainly have incentive to try now, eh? :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike: Thanks for the excellent comments &#038; clarifications on the aircraft orders. You&#8217;re right that QF got the A330&#8242;s as &#8220;lead-in&#8221; to the A380&#8242;s &#8211; deal sweeteners and handy training for the (eventual) A380 crews. As to the Kiwi A320s, yes, it&#8217;s not a switch as they already have them, but it is a change from Boeing even if only a small way.</p>
<p>For both QF &#038; AirNZ, having the mixed Airbus &#038; Boeing fleets certainly must help when negotiating prices, eg: &#8220;Well, we&#8217;re no stranger to the other guys, so maybe they&#8217;ll give us a better deal to come even more into their camp&#8230;&#8221; etc :)</p>
<p>Jeremy (&#038; Mike) &#8211; no no, the cunning plan was not to reduce episode lengths. Heck, it usually takes us 5 or 10 minutes just to warm up on an episode (although Steve&#8217;s &#8220;individual string-ette&#8221; episode style for the ATC release is appealing :)</p>
<p>No, we&#8217;re going to do it right and get you the best content we can up to #50 and beyond. We have some great ideas for content and are saving our $$$ to help get it. We&#8217;ve also got some content that&#8217;s waiting to come out but needs me to get some time to work on it. I blame my crazy day job for most of the delay.</p>
<p>So lets see how quickly we can get to episode #50 while still maintaining high quality. We certainly have incentive to try now, eh? :)</p>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
		<link>http://www.planecrazydownunder.com/2009/11/15/episode-16-rant-on-steve-rant-on/comment-page-1/#comment-362</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 10:18:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK guys....so the current plan for our ATC show is to release it as 32 individual two minute episodes.

Don&#039;t worry Jeremy, I won&#039;t tell Adam Curry!

Lets the money flow!

Cheers

Steve</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK guys&#8230;.so the current plan for our ATC show is to release it as 32 individual two minute episodes.</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t worry Jeremy, I won&#8217;t tell Adam Curry!</p>
<p>Lets the money flow!</p>
<p>Cheers</p>
<p>Steve</p>
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		<title>By: Jeremy</title>
		<link>http://www.planecrazydownunder.com/2009/11/15/episode-16-rant-on-steve-rant-on/comment-page-1/#comment-361</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeremy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 09:03:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BTW the flight tracker on the Melb airport website is really quite poor - a little insulting really!

Steve can you add a link for this flight tracker you mentioned last episode for Europe???</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BTW the flight tracker on the Melb airport website is really quite poor &#8211; a little insulting really!</p>
<p>Steve can you add a link for this flight tracker you mentioned last episode for Europe???</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 05:17:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Count me in Jezza, as long as it&#039;s more than an hour. None of this shortcut stuff for the money :-) I&#039;m putting my money where my mouth is - see above Yikes!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Count me in Jezza, as long as it&#8217;s more than an hour. None of this shortcut stuff for the money :-) I&#8217;m putting my money where my mouth is &#8211; see above Yikes!</p>
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		<title>By: Jeremy</title>
		<link>http://www.planecrazydownunder.com/2009/11/15/episode-16-rant-on-steve-rant-on/comment-page-1/#comment-359</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeremy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 04:14:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Grant does the plan involve making the show 5 minutes long? When you get to episode 50 i will donate $50. Anyone else want to match?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Grant does the plan involve making the show 5 minutes long? When you get to episode 50 i will donate $50. Anyone else want to match?</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
		<link>http://www.planecrazydownunder.com/2009/11/15/episode-16-rant-on-steve-rant-on/comment-page-1/#comment-358</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 02:06:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well done guys, I agree with David as above. Great episode. By the way, congratulations for stimulating comments through the site with your speculations on why our local airlines ordered, and have on order, the aircraft they have.

I&#039;ll share with you my recollections of these orders and at the same time, leave myself open to correction when and if I&#039;m wrong.

Qantas - You were correct in mentioning QF opportunistically jumped on American&#039;s cancelled 737 orders post 911 and good on them for it. A great break for them and a natural successor to the (at the time) existing -300s and -400s enabling a smooth transisiton over to the NG&#039;s which is still going on today. They have also since topped up their 737-800 orders as well.
However, regarding the 330s, I believe the original birds were picked up for a song as part of the incentive to get on board with the 380s and again, good on them. However, you mentioned a shift to Airbus since QF wre formally an all Boeing Airline but you did forget to add that they also have 100 orders and commitments for Boeing 787 Dreamliners which will be their mainstay mid-ranger and render the 330s obsolete in time. The 330s being an &#039;interim&#039; model for them and luckily so with all the 787 delays, hence the extra frames ordered since. 

Air New Zealand - Also switching to Airbus? Hardly, the 320 is their default narrow body with 12 already in service of the original 15 ordered a few years ago. One was infamously lost during handover from a lease back in France a while ago and two of the orginal order were cancelled. The 73&#039;s being -300s from the ninties (the last tranche being the last ever -300s built I might add.) Yes, it is true, even little old NZ can shake a deal (as can QF and as seen with the 737-300s) out of the OEM&#039;s on the right occassion (a global economic recession being such an occassion) as seen with DJ&#039;s Brett Godfrey looking for more 737NG&#039;s at the moment. You may have aklreay seen that NZ are a big fan of winglets, being the launch customer of the 320 with &quot;sharklets&quot; (WTF) and retro fitting winglets to their 5 763&#039;s.

You did mention the delayed ordered 787s (NZ being the launch airline for the -9) and whether they would ever get them but omitted the fact they have adding to their existing 8 777-200ER&#039;s, 8 777-300ER&#039;s on order to replace the 747-400s as the future flagship&#039;s of NZ&#039;s fleet. 

Now see, it&#039;s not only Steve that can rant. Cheers</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well done guys, I agree with David as above. Great episode. By the way, congratulations for stimulating comments through the site with your speculations on why our local airlines ordered, and have on order, the aircraft they have.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll share with you my recollections of these orders and at the same time, leave myself open to correction when and if I&#8217;m wrong.</p>
<p>Qantas &#8211; You were correct in mentioning QF opportunistically jumped on American&#8217;s cancelled 737 orders post 911 and good on them for it. A great break for them and a natural successor to the (at the time) existing -300s and -400s enabling a smooth transisiton over to the NG&#8217;s which is still going on today. They have also since topped up their 737-800 orders as well.<br />
However, regarding the 330s, I believe the original birds were picked up for a song as part of the incentive to get on board with the 380s and again, good on them. However, you mentioned a shift to Airbus since QF wre formally an all Boeing Airline but you did forget to add that they also have 100 orders and commitments for Boeing 787 Dreamliners which will be their mainstay mid-ranger and render the 330s obsolete in time. The 330s being an &#8216;interim&#8217; model for them and luckily so with all the 787 delays, hence the extra frames ordered since. </p>
<p>Air New Zealand &#8211; Also switching to Airbus? Hardly, the 320 is their default narrow body with 12 already in service of the original 15 ordered a few years ago. One was infamously lost during handover from a lease back in France a while ago and two of the orginal order were cancelled. The 73&#8242;s being -300s from the ninties (the last tranche being the last ever -300s built I might add.) Yes, it is true, even little old NZ can shake a deal (as can QF and as seen with the 737-300s) out of the OEM&#8217;s on the right occassion (a global economic recession being such an occassion) as seen with DJ&#8217;s Brett Godfrey looking for more 737NG&#8217;s at the moment. You may have aklreay seen that NZ are a big fan of winglets, being the launch customer of the 320 with &#8220;sharklets&#8221; (WTF) and retro fitting winglets to their 5 763&#8242;s.</p>
<p>You did mention the delayed ordered 787s (NZ being the launch airline for the -9) and whether they would ever get them but omitted the fact they have adding to their existing 8 777-200ER&#8217;s, 8 777-300ER&#8217;s on order to replace the 747-400s as the future flagship&#8217;s of NZ&#8217;s fleet. </p>
<p>Now see, it&#8217;s not only Steve that can rant. Cheers</p>
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		<title>By: Grant (Falcon124)</title>
		<link>http://www.planecrazydownunder.com/2009/11/15/episode-16-rant-on-steve-rant-on/comment-page-1/#comment-357</link>
		<dc:creator>Grant (Falcon124)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 01:33:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks to all for the kind comments and to Matt for the 777 info.

As to Jeremy - ha ha, dude - we&#039;ll be at episode 50 WAY before you think we will. Oh yes, we have some cunning plans :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks to all for the kind comments and to Matt for the 777 info.</p>
<p>As to Jeremy &#8211; ha ha, dude &#8211; we&#8217;ll be at episode 50 WAY before you think we will. Oh yes, we have some cunning plans :)</p>
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		<title>By: Jeremy</title>
		<link>http://www.planecrazydownunder.com/2009/11/15/episode-16-rant-on-steve-rant-on/comment-page-1/#comment-356</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeremy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 00:26:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ha Ha! Steve I will be donating to PCDU when episode 50 comes out....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ha Ha! Steve I will be donating to PCDU when episode 50 comes out&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: matt</title>
		<link>http://www.planecrazydownunder.com/2009/11/15/episode-16-rant-on-steve-rant-on/comment-page-1/#comment-355</link>
		<dc:creator>matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 23:41:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>yep Delta operate 777-200LR into sydney as well as Emirates, Air Canada</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>yep Delta operate 777-200LR into sydney as well as Emirates, Air Canada</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Visscher</title>
		<link>http://www.planecrazydownunder.com/2009/11/15/episode-16-rant-on-steve-rant-on/comment-page-1/#comment-354</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve Visscher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 21:24:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeremy...I probably should have ranted about how your podcast donation ended up at No Agenda instead of us!?!
Grrrrrr.....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeremy&#8230;I probably should have ranted about how your podcast donation ended up at No Agenda instead of us!?!<br />
Grrrrrr&#8230;..</p>
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		<title>By: Jeremy</title>
		<link>http://www.planecrazydownunder.com/2009/11/15/episode-16-rant-on-steve-rant-on/comment-page-1/#comment-353</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeremy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 11:31:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What&#039;s with the rant? I wanna hear you rant about ATC I dare you! not kidding, very angry,pilots suck!!!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What&#8217;s with the rant? I wanna hear you rant about ATC I dare you! not kidding, very angry,pilots suck!!!!!</p>
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		<title>By: David Roses Brungger</title>
		<link>http://www.planecrazydownunder.com/2009/11/15/episode-16-rant-on-steve-rant-on/comment-page-1/#comment-352</link>
		<dc:creator>David Roses Brungger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 08:59:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Super great episode guys!! Highly interesting aviation news content, thank you so much!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Super great episode guys!! Highly interesting aviation news content, thank you so much!</p>
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		<title>By: Jack</title>
		<link>http://www.planecrazydownunder.com/2009/11/15/episode-16-rant-on-steve-rant-on/comment-page-1/#comment-350</link>
		<dc:creator>Jack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Nov 2009 04:50:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hehe. so close !</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hehe. so close !</p>
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